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DreamWind · Mar 11, 2010, 06:20 AM // 06:20

I see a lot of people on here bitching and moaning about problems with Guild Wars. That is fine.

But you have to ask yourself if Anet is listening. It is logical to assume that they are listening if they care and it matters to them. Currently the thing that matters most to them is that people buy Guild Wars 2. That in turn leads to the conclusion that they don't care what you bitch and moan about as long as you buy Guild Wars 2, and if you aren't buying Guild Wars 2 they will listen to your concerns.

So who is NOT buying Guild Wars 2? I would also like to hear reasons for not buying it. If you don't include yourself on this list, your GW1 complaints IMO are worthless. The same company is making the sequel, and the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. Perhaps if the list gets big enough Anet will start listening to the problems.

Trinity Fire Angel · Mar 11, 2010, 06:30 AM // 06:30

i am buying it. world vs world.... gogogogogo111!1!11! plus, to be honest, i started gws a lot later than everyone else, so most of the old people are gone. i would love to be part of the learning and unknown world that is gws2. i want to experience what it is like from the beginning and growing in a new community.

shoyon456 · Mar 11, 2010, 06:43 AM // 06:43

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Originally Posted by Trinity Fire Angel

i am buying it. world vs world.... gogogogogo111!1!11!

Um yeah... lets ignore the fact that you can pretty much get the same thing with WoW as long as you can/don't mind paying monthly.

I think its premature to make any absolute statements about whether you will or will not buy the game. However from everything that I've read about GW2, it will be more like WoW and less like the original GW. This is fine for those who like WoW but don't want to or can't pay monthly, but if I wanted WoW, id get the real thing.

As of now, there are very few things that actually interest me in GW2. I want game mechanics information because I feel that knowing how the game works will allow me to make a more educated assertion of whether I will want to play GW2.

**cosyfiep** · Mar 11, 2010, 06:45 AM // 06:45

seeing as what I like about gw they are supposedly getting rid of----mouse movement, persistent world, and the movement they are proposing will make me ill to watch (vertigo problems)....I can play gw, gw2 probably will be more than my eyes/vertigo/etc can handle

so unless I hear otherwise: I wont be getting a game I wont be able to physically play.

GWfan#1 · Mar 11, 2010, 06:57 AM // 06:57

My dog Lucy won't be buying GW2. She likes her chew toy much better.

As for me... I already have it reserved.

manitoba1073 · Mar 11, 2010, 06:58 AM // 06:58

Im not period.

madriel222 · Mar 11, 2010, 07:00 AM // 07:00

Somehow Anet needs to show me that GW2 warrants upgrading my PC. I just don't see that right now.

Garet1337 · Mar 11, 2010, 07:21 AM // 07:21

I'm leaning most of the way to no, i'm afraid i'll find some format of the game i like, then after a while anet will remove it from the game after i spend money to keep up to date in it (example, like Team arenas and Hero Battles)

not QQing about it, and not saying bring it back, just saying i'm afraid of falling into that trap again.... why did i even buy gwen...

Killed u man · Mar 11, 2010, 07:41 AM // 07:41

People who say they're not are only fooling themselves in hopes that Anet will reply, as if they actually cared, and keep us hooked untill GW2 comes along.

A better question would have been, or atleast one of value:

Who is NOT buying GW2 upfront?

And that would be a completely different story. Anet (Martin) has already anounced GW will have LESS formats than it has now, and it will have world PvP or something similar.

Thus we can conclude that GW PvP will consist of GvG, AB (World PvP), RA (Most likely, unless the new World PvP is supposed to cross the gap between PvE and PvP) and a third/fourth (Wether or not RA will exist) playstyle of choice, be it HA or Codex.

Either way, it's been made clear that GW PvP will have to give in, if only on resources so far, alot of ground to PvE.

Point here being: Anet shouldn't be expecting too much revenue from the PvP scene, unless they can top GW Proph release PvP wise, which again is unlikely especially with the recent news. (But never say never I gues)

On top of that, with the recent nerfs to PvE farming builds, for every good reason only about 4 years too late, they set off alot of PvE'ers aswell.

I'm not going to say it had a major impact on the community, but Anet did give a strong message:

"We don't want people farming/speedclearing through elite areas"

which essentially means:

"We don't want bad people bashing some buttons for big rewards"

which WILL offset a large part of the PvE community (Because face it, the % of bad people in PvE land is ALOT higher than the % of bad people in PvP), because people in general simply love the brainless farmbuilds. (Why SF saw so much succes in the first place)

So they definatly lost some "upfront buyers" there aswell. So what will really be left for Anet?

A handfull of people (I still assume 100K+ with HoM addicts and such) will buy the game upfront, but unlike GW1 which enjoyed a major explosion in sales due to word of mouth advertisement on how good it (the PvP) was, GW2 isn't likely to follow the same path.

So you can't really give a definite anwsers (as opposed to games such as WoW which have a massive satisfied playerbase who will eat anything Blizzard feeds them) because Anet played with fire too long. It will simply come down to how good GW2 will be, even for the PvE scene to grow.

As I've said before: If GW is going to be a WoW clone, it simply isn't going to be better. And if it is, why would anyone still want to buy it over WoW which has proven time after time it CAN maintain a large playerbase with regular updates of high quality.

Point here being: GW PvE simply isn't going to come anywhere close to WoW or other major PvE games out there. Though I'm not saying this is what Anet wanted to achieved, I'm saying they missed out on alot of potential growth by letting the PvP scene die.

Divine Ashes · Mar 11, 2010, 07:42 AM // 07:42

I am definitely getting it. Despite some of the problems of GW it's still a fun game for me, and the memories I have from the earlier days of GW alone makes me want to recreate the experience in GW2. Most of the people I played with in GW will be getting GW2, and those that aren't are not simply because they've gotten older, and have families and careers now.

Despite people saying they won't be getting GW2, many more will be attracted to it that never played GW1. I predict the player base will be very strong. From what the developers (hopefully) learned from GW1 they will apply to GW2 to make a (hopefully) very strong game.

Ben-A-BoO · Mar 11, 2010, 07:43 AM // 07:43

Whatever goes wrong in GW1 is of little importance to my decision to buy or not buy GW2.

Anet's support is outstanding for me in many terms compared to other 'buy to play' games in the industry. However customer decision is based upon how the sequel gets reviewed (by friends) and if I find the features I look for in Computer games. Enough other games to keep me entertained the next two years.

Abedeus · Mar 11, 2010, 07:44 AM // 07:44

Most likely no. Especially if the things will continue to look the way they are.

The-Bigz · Mar 11, 2010, 07:50 AM // 07:50

I was seriously considering getting it because I did enjoy GW1, and I have rode this game til the wheels fall off. The interview posted about GW2 just now has offset me a bit, and I'm seriously leaning towards WoW instead, and I'm not a huge nerd so I'm not going to get all involved, but I have the extra cash around and wouldn't mind a persistent world.

Cliffnotes: Recent interviews about GW2 have me running for the hills on my original intent to buy it. Better if they said nothing, at least they'd have my money already after I quit one week into it.

Killed u man · Mar 11, 2010, 07:50 AM // 07:50

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Originally Posted by Divine Ashes

Despite people saying they won't be getting GW2, many more will be attracted to it that never played GW1. I predict the player base will be very strong. From what the developers (hopefully) learned from GW1 they will apply to GW2 to make a (hopefully) very strong game.

Why would that be? Someone who does the least bit of research, which I assume is something VERY BASIC here, concidering the game is called Guild Wars TWO, will find that:

1) People who dind't play GW1 will be at a disadvantage, albeit cosmetic only -A title, or special skin item-, as opposed to people who played GW1.

2) GW1 suffered a major downfall over the course of it years, and PvE was pretty bad. (NO end-game, don't kid yourself in believe GW PvE is good)

3) PvP (So the peope interested in that will definatly dig deaper) went apeshit after initial release, and is promised to be even worse in GW2.

How exactly does this sound appealing? I haven't twisted words or statements here. These are cold, hard facts everyone can witness for themselves. If anything, Anet would be better off selling GW2 under a "new" name, because of the downfall GW 1 had.

Penny · Mar 11, 2010, 07:53 AM // 07:53

Im not buying it. I dislike Asura. (NUKE THEM)

Garet1337 · Mar 11, 2010, 08:03 AM // 08:03

1) People who dind't play GW1 will be at a disadvantage, albeit cosmetic only -A title, or special skin item-, as opposed to people who played GW1.

2) GW1 suffered a major downfall over the course of it years, and PvE was pretty bad. (NO end-game, don't kid yourself in believe GW PvE is good)

3) PvP (So the peope interested in that will definatly dig deaper) went apeshit after initial release, and is promised to be even worse in GW2.

How exactly does this sound appealing? I haven't twisted words or statements here. These are cold, hard facts everyone can witness for themselves. If anything, Anet would be better off selling GW2 under a "new" name, because of the downfall GW 1 had.[/QUOTE]

I completely agree with u, i myself am more interested in pvp than pve anyways, and if the PVP in gw2 wont be as big or good as gw 1 (which now isn't the best it's been at) there is no reason for me to play the game

Plus sure it's a whole new game, but it is guild wars and it's still anet, why why cant i use what they have done in the past, and what they r currently doing and conclude that they will continue doing that?

that is just my opinion everyone has their own, but i do judge games but happens in the prequel.

BUT u never know till u try the game right?

The-Bigz · Mar 11, 2010, 08:09 AM // 08:09

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Originally Posted by Garet1337

1) People who dind't play GW1 will be at a disadvantage, albeit cosmetic only -A title, or special skin item-, as opposed to people who played GW1.

2) GW1 suffered a major downfall over the course of it years, and PvE was pretty bad. (NO end-game, don't kid yourself in believe GW PvE is good)

3) PvP (So the peope interested in that will definatly dig deaper) went apeshit after initial release, and is promised to be even worse in GW2.

How exactly does this sound appealing? I haven't twisted words or statements here. These are cold, hard facts everyone can witness for themselves. If anything, Anet would be better off selling GW2 under a "new" name, because of the downfall GW 1 had.

I completely agree with u, i myself am more interested in pvp than pve anyways, and if the PVP in gw2 wont be as big or good as gw 1 (which now isn't the best it's been at) there is no reason for me to play the game

Plus sure it's a whole new game, but it is guild wars and it's still anet, why why cant i use what they have done in the past, and what they r currently doing and conclude that they will continue doing that?

that is just my opinion everyone has their own, but i do judge games but happens in the prequel.

BUT u never know till u try the game right?[/QUOTE]

I had that same conclusion but if you read the interview notes from the german interview that were just posted in the last 2 days, I believe your opinion will change. Mine has changed drastically.

Garet1337 · Mar 11, 2010, 08:23 AM // 08:23

"Will there be high-level Pick-Up Group PvP, as we saw in Heroes’ Ascent?

Jon Peters: We have two main types of competitive play in Guild Wars 2. First we have World vs World (WvW), which pits uneven numbers of players against each other across large maps and involves level progression. We also have Player vs Player, which pits smaller groups of evenly matched opponents against each other.
The plan for PvP is that it will be broken down into two types of play: tournaments and pick-up play. Tournaments will allow organized teams to face off in brackets that determine an eventual winner. These will run frequently to give ad-hoc teams a fighting chance. Pick-up play will feature variable team sizes and will be hot-joinable. Players can form a group or play solo, picking a game to join based on map, available space, and other settings. Rather than spending time looking for a group, players will simply be able to jump in on their own, form a group with friends or strangers, and look for a game that satisfies their level of play."

"Do you intend to make PvP a strong enough game on its own for it to be viewed as a competitive game (E-sport)?

Jon Peters: We’re building our PvP from the ground up as a separate experience. Players will take a character to PvP to retain their name, race, and profession. After that, they will be limited by skill alone. After that, we’ve taken a lot of cues from the first-person shooter genre, to make Guild Wars 2 feel more like an E-sport. Public games will be hot-joinable. We will track player statistics, generate rankings to let players see how they compare to their peers, and hold a variety of tournaments, both large and small, to let the most competitive players duke it out for the bragging rights to be called the best Guild Wars 2 players in the world."

- quotes taken from http://guildwars.incgamers.com/blog/...s_2_interview/

woah now that is what i like to see, i like the e sport section alot, better have unranked stuff so i dont mess up my "kill/death ratio" xD

one question in the top part it says u can do solo pvp... is that 1 v 1 :O

who was that person that said pvp wasn't going to be big

JimmyNeutron · Mar 11, 2010, 08:27 AM // 08:27

If there is no skill like Shadow Form w/ immunity to ALL physical and spells, than I'm not buying GW2.

DreamWind · Mar 11, 2010, 08:28 AM // 08:28

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

So you can't really give a definite anwsers (as opposed to games such as WoW which have a massive satisfied playerbase who will eat anything Blizzard feeds them) because Anet played with fire too long. It will simply come down to how good GW2 will be, even for the PvE scene to grow.

Not necessarily. I know many people who will not buy GW2 regardless of how good it is due to Anet's previous history.